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  2. Hopeful

    Advice required..passed final interview

    Have you had any updates chillybob? I’ve heard Cheshire are getting ready to open Recruitment again shortly so wondered if you’d been Informed of anything?
  3. Chair, Calum Macleod, gives an introduction to the Police Bravery Awards which will be held on the 12 July.
  4. Today
  5. You can speculate all day about “what if this happens”......”what if that happens.” You’ll have to take each scenario as it comes and risk assess it at the time. But also continually risk assess it as well. I would not advocate any person going over what they are trained to do but it comes down to the individual to justify it. In a red button situation I would like to think every man and his dog would be turning out to it, so it could be argued that basic drivers won’t need to activate the blues. You also have to remember that officers from other areas will no doubt be monitoring the situation and controllers deploying resources to help. At the back of every police drivers mind should be the need to continually risk assess their own driving. There is always that “what if I clear someone up” or “what if I crash” niggle in the back of my mind. Everyone will know when they are pushing their driving beyond their own ability. I commented above about the adrenaline and red mist getting the better of officers and how to control it. Burglars will come and go. Drug dealers will come and go. It can be a bitter pill to swallow when a recidivist gets away but I’d rather take a bit of flack from a MOP or a colleague than put the public or crew mates at risk. You cannot be qualified by association of observing a standard or advanced driver from the passenger seat.
  6. It's a simple fact that standard ambulance dressings aren't designed to stem major bleeds, they're just there to soak up the blood. Specific trauma/pressure dressings which have solid pads and/Or a mechanism to pull them extremely tight should be an absolute necessity in all police first aid kits, as should tourniquets. When you're dealing with stabbings, RTCs and potentially even terror incidents the standard first aid at work kits just aren't enough. I've been carrying tourniquets for about 4 years while doing security work and never needed it, but when the time comes that I do need it for myself or someone else it would make carrying it around for 10,15 or 20 years worth it. I have 2 pressure dressings on my belt kit and despite carrying them for the same length of time as the tourniquet I've used them multiple times on nasty wounds caused by everything from falls to people getting bottled. Standard dressings have their limitations but a lot of people don't realise that.
  7. I’ve not read every post on here so apologies in advance if this has been discussed already. To those who support DE detectives, we also have a national shortage of firearms officers. Should we recruit direct into firearms? If similar national shortages occur in other areas should we recruit direct into dog handling, or Intelligence officers, or covert officers? Why not have DE UC’s? The list could be endless. I’m all for response being regarded as a specialist but the experience gained of policing “the streets” I believe is invaluable and stays with you throughout your career. It also helps your tactical thinking and decision making when you move into specialisms. I never want to see a situation where you have a tiered police force and where DC’s are reaching for a checklist when handed an investigation.
  8. As they're specifically mentioning DCs in their job advert for Transferees and Rejoiners I'd suspect that isn't the case
  9. Zulu 22

    Graduates 'to be detectives in 12 weeks'

    GMP do not have a problem getting detectives. Perhaps that is because the uniformed officers have already gained sufficient experience to progress. I will repeat just for the sake of some who cannot grasp the notion, You cannot teach experience. No wonder the public are being short changed.
  10. Home News Two men charged with raping girl aged 14 Return to News 19th June 2018 Two men have been charged with raping and indecently assaulting a girl aged 14 as part of the National Crime Agency’s investigation into child sexual abuse and exploitation in Rotherham. Abid Saddiq (37) from Masbrough in Rotherham and Waseem Khaliq (33) from Eldon Street in Sheffield were arrested on the 11 June on suspicion of rape, conspiracy to rape and indecent assault dating back to 2001. They have also been charged child abduction after two girls aged 14 and 15 were taken to Sheffield for the purposes of sexual activity in 2002. Both Saddiq and Khaliq have been bailed until their next hearing on 21 June at Sheffield Magistrates Court. Share this Page: View the full article
  11. Norfolk Constabulary ACC talks to Police Oracle about officer assaults, cuts and PCSOs. Norfolk Constabulary Assistant Chief Constable Paul Sanford The nature of assaults on officers are becoming increasingly more violent to the extent that better bandages have been requested to soak up more blood. Norfolk Constabulary Assistant Chief Constable Paul Sanford told Police Oracle officers have addressed the need to improve first aid kits with injuries worsening. He said: “I have been asked if the bandages in our first aid kit are heavy-duty enough to absorb the level of bleeding? Crikey, if I’m having conversations about bandages then boy do I need to talk about the defence equipment our officers are carrying.” Between April 2017 and March 2018, 515 assaults on Norfolk police officers were recorded, including 113 of actual bodily harm and 19 of grievous bodily harm. The force already has plans to purchase an extra 80 Taser in a bid to deter offenders from lashing out at officers and is considering options to expand this further - including a review on allowing those who wish to carry one to do so. “We are concerned about the increase in assaults on our staff. We are concerned about the increase in knives to commit crime – whilst we ran an incredibly successful operation to target the county lines criminality which we think is the main drive behind that, we want to make sure our officers are best protected,"adds ACC Sanford. “We believe we could have more of our officers can carry Taser if we have them at the right places at the right time. “We are exploring what more we could do beyond that uplift of 80 and we are aware of other forces that are starting to office Taser to anyone who want to carry it - that is certainly something that we will explore. “The availability and the cost are factors here, but our primary concern is the welfare of our staff and sadly the environment which they are operating in now is different to when I was a PC. We need to make sure we have the right kit.” Questioned on how cuts have affected the force, ACC Sanford replied: “It’s not all bad. It causes you to look at the efficiency of what you deliver and how you deliver it. “Yeah, it’s difficult and yeah you have to make tough decisions but actually I think it has made us a much leaner and a much slicker organisation. And do I think that has been at the detriment of service to the public? No. Do I think that it’s tougher and our officers are having to work harder? Then yes, they absolutely are." A further £9million needs be to saved by 2020, with a large chunk of the £30million already saved down to collaborating with neighbouring force Suffolk Constabulary across a multitude of areas, including firearms, roads policing and intelligence. And in March the force scrapped PCSOs saving £1.6 million and allowing the creation of 97 roles (81 police officers and 16 civilian staff) within uniform policing. According to the force, the difference in cost between a PCSO and PC is less than £2,000 - with the average annual cost for a PCSO being £39,800 while for a PC it is £41,620. ACC Sanford added: “They were valued members of the workforce – to their absolute credit, right up to their last working day they were all working hard – even once the news was out they were doing some phenomenal stuff. “But do I think we have a more sustainable policing model than we had before? Absolutely I do. “There are some sad realities that in Norfolk we see more reports of rape than we do with theft of motor vehicles. That is a new and recent phenomenon, and we need the workforce to respond to today’s demands whose got that broad range of skills and can be deployable into different functions and can work 24/7.” ACC Sanford added the rest of the savings will also be recouped through wider joint working and with the Seven Force Strategic Collaboration Programme involving Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire, Hertfordshire, Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex and Kent police forces. Improved collaboration with adult care services is also being explored due to an aging population as well as domestic abuse and mental health charities plus the ambulance service to mitigate the strain placed on officers. Last month Chief Constable Simon Bailey spoke out after figures revealed Norfolk Police cars were used 43 times from December 2017 to March 2018 when no East of England Ambulance Service Trust (EEAST) vehicles were able to assist – taking officers away from frontline duties. “Adult care is an areas that particular concerns me given the aging demographic within our county, I have predicted it’s going to be an area where our demand goes up in the next 10 and 20 years. It will be crimes against the elderly,” says ACC Sanford. “The more we save the more challenging the next piece becomes.” View On Police Oracle
  12. If your uniformed officers aren't routinely carrying out investigations or placing case files together just why would they suddenly want to make the jump to detective when they have very little experience in actual hands on investigation? This shortage to me atleast can be explained away as a fault with how some of the larger forces are utilising their PCs.
  13. Reasonable Man

    Graduates 'to be detectives in 12 weeks'

    I’ll give it another go. People become detectives. Traditionally that was from being a uniformed officer first. In recent times there has been a shortage of detectives. Despite efforts via the traditional route officers do not want to be detectives (except in GMP, according to SD). The problem is to get more detectives - a solution is to get people to be detectives without being a uniformed officer first. The hue and cry is that it won’t work, because they have to be a uniformed officer first to get the experience to be a detective. My argument is that only a proportion of the experience of being a uniformed officer is the experience required to be a good detective. So, take a person who has not been a uniformed officer, give them training and they become a detective. Take another person and train them to be a uniformed police officer and then train them to be a detective. I can see no reason why the first person cannot become an effective detective. Neither will be a great detective on day one, or 6 months in but give them both 2 years and would you be able to tell the difference?
  14. 19 June 2018 HRH Countess of Wessex with PC Otterson, PC Currie and Sgt Richardson Police officers who have demonstrated outstanding acts of bravery – including confronting terrorists, tackling murderers and rescuing people from freezing waters – will be honoured next month at the 23rd annual Police Bravery Awards. A ceremony to recognise their exemplary acts, hosted by the Police Federation of England and Wales and sponsored by Police Mutual, will take place in London on 12 July 2018. During the event the winners from each of the eight police regions will be unveiled along with the overall winner/s. Some of the remarkable feats of bravery exhibited by this year’s nominees include officers who: • Rushed towards danger to help and protect others during the Westminster Bridge and Borough Market terrorist attacks • Battled through a burning building to rescue the people inside • Pushed a suicidal woman out of the path of an oncoming train with seconds to spare • While off duty, confronted a knife-wielding killer in a busy city street • Prevented a suicidal man from jumping from a motorway bridge • Disarmed a man who had pointed a double-barrelled shot gun at them Last year’s winners were PS Elliott Richardson, PC Sarah Currie and PC Michael Otterson from Northumbria Police. The trio were honoured after they managed to disarm and a mentally ill man with a history of violence who had set a trap for police officers intending to shoot them. Federation Chair Calum Macleod said: “The Police Bravery Awards is one of the highlights of the year for me. It is always an honour and a privilege to highlight the extraordinary actions of these officers and to pass on the thanks of the whole police family, and members of the public, for their incredible bravery. The nominees exemplify the very best of British policing. “This year’s awards are especially poignant as we reflect on two of the terrorist attacks which our country has suffered in the past year. Hundreds of officers from the Metropolitan and City of London forces ran towards the unknown dangers they presented, several of them are included in our nominees, and one PC Keith Palmer GM - who is of course also nominated - tragically paid the ultimate price protecting others. “I am a truly humbled and proud to be able to reflect and recognise their actions. “We are only able to showcase the actions of a small number of officers at this event but I must stress that they represent a tiny proportion of the thousands of amazing acts of bravery police officers undertake day in day out serving their communities. “Each nominee is a credit to their force, their family, the police service, and society as a whole and I am pleased to be able to pay them the tribute they deserve.” Stephen Mann, CEO of Police Mutual said: “Police Mutual is very proud to be supporting the Police Bravery Awards for the 10th consecutive year. To all of you who have been nominated, be proud of yourselves and your achievements. “When it mattered most, you stepped up. You proved that your commitment to keeping the public safe did not waver, even when tested in the most trying of circumstances. At Police Mutual, my colleagues and I are deeply honoured to be able to show our appreciation for your bravery in keeping us safe.” Full details of the nominees and their remarkable stories can be found on our Bravery Awards page. View the full article
  15. Yesterday
  16. TheMoo

    Specials get guns?

    As far as I understand it, Taser is currently classed as Work-Related Equipment (WRE), rather than Personal Protective Equipment (PPE); which is why it can be offered to only certain officers rather than others, and why it's not mandatory carry. (By comparison, the stab vest is PPE for response officers, and must be made available for everyone fulfilling that job role) - Please correct me if I'm wrong. If Taser is being offered to Probationers (because of the interpretation of the increasing risk to officers), then I would think we're only one step away from it being mandatory for all (Regular) officers (as a response to the hazards of the job); at this point does it then become PPE? Because I would think that the issue would then be forced, and Specials would either have to be given it, or redeployed. (Again, I'm more than happy to be corrected if I'm wrong - and the arguments over whether or not there are better ways to use Specials is one I've been considering, and is one for another time.) But if guns need to become a part of routine British policing? I don't think there will be a role for Specials in frontline policing - to keep the training up, get the judgement, the experience; and we police by consent - I can't see the British public being too keen on armed volunteers on the streets. As far as I can tell, guns are (tragically) easy to use, but difficult to use well.
  17. I think I'm completely on your side on this. I was astounded when I saw posts on this forum complaining about officers waiting years for Response courses. I work in a force where all the Regulars are response trained - given the geographical area we cover they can't afford not to be. I've done my basic course (as a Special), and it's useful - I can give my copilot a break, we can share the custody run and fill out paperwork on the way, tail the ambulance taking a teenager to A&E etc. If we need to IR or it's getting to the witching hour, we swap seats. On my basic course we were told very explicitly that we had no authority to break Highway Code, to use blue lights for anything other than stopping someone/at a scene, etc. And once I (eventually) get my IP, I expect that I'll be getting shipped out to stuff solo (again, geographical area - sometimes we'll need the cover). And if there's an IR, it's understood that we'd be driving at normal speed to it. But the question that arises, the question that scares me - what about when the red button goes off? When I'm the closest resource, or the only available? And the second question that arises - what am I meant to do when it's a friend of mine getting the proverbial kicked out of them?
  18. An officer forgot to enter email addresses under blind copy. A police force is considering an appeal against an £80,000 fine issued after an officer sent a bulk email identifying victims of non-recent child abuse. The email was sent to 56 recipients by an officer from Gloucestershire Police who was investigating allegations of abuse against multiple complainants. The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) said the unnamed officer, whose rank was not revealed, was sending an update on the case in December 2016 to complainants, witnesses, lawyers and journalists. However, Gloucestershire Police insisted the message was not sent to journalists and lawyers and said it was considering appealing the fine. A force spokesman said: "The Constabulary understands its information security responsibilities and measures have been put in place to minimise the chances of this happening again. "Notwithstanding this, we are disappointed by the ICO's decision. "The officer in the case had previously carried out their duties to keep all parties informed but on this occasion made a mistake by copying, rather than blind copying, the email addresses of all recipients. "The officer immediately informed their manager and apologised to those affected and the matter was self-referred to the ICO. "Many of those affected were supportive. Given this, we are considering an appeal." Entering the email addresses in the "To" field rather than using the blind carbon copy mention meant they were shared with other recipients. The email also made reference to schools and other organisations being investigated in relation to the allegations. Of the 56 emails sent, all but one was considered deliverable. Three were confirmed to have been successfully recalled once the force identified the breach two days later, so 56 names and email addresses were visible to up to 52 recipients. Steve Eckersley, head of enforcement at the Information Commissioner's Office, said: "This was a serious breach of the data protection laws and one which was likely to cause substantial distress to vulnerable victims of abuse, many of whom were also legally entitled to lifelong anonymity. "The risks relating to the sending of bulk emails are long established and well known, so there was no excuse for the force to break the law - especially when such sensitive and confidential information was involved." The case was dealt with under the provisions and maximum penalties of the Data Protection Act 1998, and not the 2018 Act which has replaced it, because of the date of the breach. The maximum financial penalty in civil cases under the previous legislation is £500,000. View On Police Oracle
  19. newbiess

    Boots on the ground - footwear advice

    what are some good lightweight boots?
  20. junior_7178

    Juvenile Reprimand, Theft

    I think people ask these vetting questions on here as they're hoping for reassurance. I understand how you feel as when i applied i had some driving misdemeanours from 21 years ago when i was 16/17 years old. I was up front and honest about them all the way through the application process and vetting and i was successful. Nobody on here will be able to give you definitive answers, just opinions. If I'm being up front with you, i think with a theft conviction will go against you more than something that isn't an honesty based crime. Good luck though and keep us posted
  21. Chief Bakes

    BBC: Trump wades into German migration row

    18 June 2018 Related TopicsUS migrant family separations Image copyright Reuters US President Donald Trump has attacked the German government's approach to immigration, as he comes under pressure over his own crackdown on migrants. Mr Trump said German Chancellor Angela Merkel's coalition looked "tenuous". Mrs Merkel is in the middle of a serious domestic row after defending her country's immigration policy. Meanwhile, Mr Trump has adopted a highly criticised "zero-tolerance" approach, which has split families crossing the southern border. Migrant children 'held in cages' in Texas The US president's policy shift has been condemned by many, including former First Lady Laura Bush, who wrote about it in the Washington Post newspaper. "[Trump's] zero-tolerance policy is cruel. It is immoral. And it breaks my heart," she wrote, citing stories of children held in detention centres. In a series of tweets, the president defended his stance. "We don't want what is happening with immigration in Europe to happen with us!" he said. Media playback is unsupported on your device Media captionZero-tolerance: The US policy dividing families and opinion Meanwhile, Mrs Merkel is in a different migration dispute with her interior minister, Horst Seehofer. The chancellor has flatly refused to back Mr Seehofer's plan to turn away migrants at the German border if they have already registered elsewhere in the EU. Skip Twitter post by @realDonaldTrump Report End of Twitter post by @realDonaldTrump Skip Twitter post 2 by @realDonaldTrump Report End of Twitter post 2 by @realDonaldTrump The disagreement has opened up a serious rift between Mrs Merkel's Christian Democrats and Mr Seehofer's Bavarian CSU party - two parties that have been closely aligned since the end of the World War Two. Trump and Merkel face off in G7 photo Angela Merkel's leadership woes First ladies urge US child migrant action The backlash has left Mrs Merkel trying to hold her coalition together. Other claims in Mr Trump's tweets have already been debunked by various German news sites, especially his assertion that "crime in Germany is way up". They pointed out that Germany's crime rate is at its lowest since 1992, according to Interior Ministry figures released last month. Image copyright Jesco Denzel via Getty Images Image caption A photo of German Chancellor Angela Merkel with US president Donald Trump during the G7 Summit went viral earlier in June View the full article
  22. luke4387

    Eyesight Test

    Thanks buddy! I have no interest in joining firearms so all good for me. Really appreciate your response!
  23. No. Atleast not in my locality (London has a host of its own issues.) I do alot of intervention and joint tasking work with the local authority over homelessness in my role - myself and a PCSO colleague nominated ourselves as the local contacts between my force and our local authority services. The sad fact is the vast majority of beggars within my city aren't homeless and those that are refuse to either accept accommodation or lead such destructive lifestyles they find themselves repeatedly evicted from property after causing damage to their homes or simply being a menace to everyone else around them. Most of the nominal people I deal with have homes provided to them by the council, most are in receipt of state benefit and all have access free of charge to drug workers and alcohol services. One man has been given three homes and placed in rehab numerous times in the three years that I have known him, he still sits out close to the station begging and likely as I write this will still be sat there now (just off rail property mind as he knows he is safe so long as he doesn't beg on the railway.) The sad truth of the matter and this is something many people will struggle to accept is that this lifestyle has become a way of life for many of the beggars/vagrants on the street. Intervention, rehabilitation and resources mean very little until the person you're trying to help wants to actually change their lives for the better, many are stuck in a vicious cycle of drug/alcohol abuse supplemented by begging and low level criminality. The local county police generally isn't conducting enforcement and hasn't done so in years, in BTP we stopped reporting beggars around 4 years ago locally (we are now having to change this stance) but what has the result been? Massive increase in begging, vagrancy and the associated drug and alcohol related offences. These low level crimes and offences matter massively and in my opinion contribute to the rising crime we are seeing nationally across the country. I think we have to realise that along with a governmental responsibility people committing these crimes and offences have a personal responsibility not only to themselves but society as a whole aswell, something we are very quick to dismiss when talking about this very emotive issue.
  24. JD180

    Specials get guns?

    Christ... Never mind taser and firearm training... It would be impressive if more than 10% of most shifts are response trained..
  25. it simply isn't done in our towns and cities anymore and we have seen instances of begging and vagrancy increase to almost epidemic levels. Ermmm..... Nothing to do with funding/cuts/increase in homelessness?!
  26. MountainMan

    Juvenile Reprimand, Theft

    Yeah, as expected! I suppose I was just after some encouragement but ultimately all I can do is be honest and let them make a judgement. Thank you for that, much appreciated.
  27. By sending these people through to court and tackling their persistent behaviour you're: 1. Disrupting them. 2. Building a case for a CBO. You cannot obtain criminal orders against people unless you prove their behaviours are a persistent problem, the only way you can go about doing this is with ensuring you proactively deal with their criminality, the case of the problem people I deal with reporting them on summons for begging, public order, byelaw breaches etc.
  28. NHS funding: PM calls for 10-year plan to spend cash By Nick Triggle Health correspondent 18 June 2018 Image copyright Getty Images Image caption The funding boost means an extra £20bn a year for the NHS by 2023 The NHS must come up with a 10-year plan to best use its £20bn funding boost in England, Theresa May will say. In a speech in London, the prime minister will stress the NHS must ensure "every penny is well spent". It follows Mrs May's announcement that the NHS budget would rise by 3.4% a year on average over the next five years. But the PM is under continuing pressure to explain where the money will come from to pay for the rise. On Sunday Mrs May promised that, by 2023, an extra £20bn a year will be available for the health service in England on top of any rises to keep up with inflation. This year's NHS budget is £114bn. NHS at 70: Share your stories and memories 10 charts that show why the NHS is in trouble Does the Brexit dividend actually exist? While the spending commitment has been widely welcomed by those within the health service, Mrs May has been asked to explain how the extra spending will be paid for. Her answer that the increase will be partly paid for by a "Brexit dividend" has already been questioned, with Labour saying the government was relying on a "hypothetical" windfall. There has been criticism from within her own party as well. The Conservative chair of the House of Commons' Health and Social Care Committee, Sarah Wollaston, said the idea of a Brexit dividend was "tosh". And Paul Johnson, director of economic think-tank the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), said the only way the rise could be paid for was by an increase in taxes. He said the financial settlement with the EU, plus the UK's commitments to replace EU funding, "already uses up all of our EU contributions" for the next few years. Year-by-year funding increases 2019-20 - 3.6% 2020-21 - 3.6% 2021-22 - 3.1% 2022-23 - 3.1% 2023-24 - 3.4% All figures are above inflation Mrs May has not ruled out tax rises, and there will be much interest in what she says about that in her speech on Monday morning. The PM will fill in some of the details on her proposed 10-year plan, which she will say must ensure "every penny is well spent". "It must be a plan that tackles waste, reduces bureaucracy and eliminates unacceptable variation," she will say. Mental health Mrs May has asked NHS England boss Simon Stevens to help draw up the plan with the input of senior staff working in the health service. Work on the plan will get under way almost immediately, with final proposals expected towards the end of the year. Four main areas of improving the efficiency of the NHS will be looked at: The workforce Technology Buildings Productivity The plan will build on the five-year strategy Mr Stevens set out in 2015. A big part of that was shifting care out of hospitals and into the community. Ms May is known to be keen to see a specific stress on mental health and cancer this time. The PM will also recall her own reliance on the NHS for help when she was diagnosed with type one diabetes, saying: "I would not be doing the job I am doing today without that support." Meanwhile, councils have questioned why the funding announcement did not also include more money for social care and public health, which covers everything from stop smoking services to obesity prevention. Both are considered essential to the sustainability of the NHS, but the increase announced only applied to front-line NHS services such as hospitals, GPs and mental health care. Councillor Izzi Seecombe, of the Local Government Association, said: "Without essential council services, which help people live healthy lives in their own homes and communities, the NHS cannot thrive." The announcement for England means the rest of the UK will also be given extra money, although it is up to the governments in Wales and Scotland to decide exactly how that is spent. View the full article
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