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  2. Negative aspects of the job

    Would that not still require a crime report, which would then immediately be closed?
  3. So the word of the day is dotard.
  4. Yeah, it is a bit strange here currently, having to get the mere presence of tactical options authorised for jobs. There really needs to be a move away from Tasers and firearms being classified as specialist equipment, when the rest of the world sees them as basic tools for officers to do their job. The way the job currently works here, we could feasibly be sent to a pre-planned job and actually be worse prepared equipment-wise than if we had gone spontaneously, if authorisations for certain tactical options haven't been given. That should never be the case.
  5. SEARCH assessment Oct

    You need to be looking at what the AC comprises of. Talking to officers (unless they've just been through it) and reading books won't help much. Competencies - a must. Learn them insight out. You can prepare for every stage of the AC and there should be a surprise when you turn up and there is so much info available. Scan this forum for a start. Good luck but start preparing for the AC now. It is not a test about how much you know about policing, the job itself, criminal law etc. It's an assessment designed to assess your suitability to do the role.
  6. When I joined I was genuinely surprised there was not a national system (apart from PNC). Forces have a multitude of systems and databases that struggle to talk to each other and when they do, interpreting the information that comes out of them into useful data is difficult. I've used NICHE now for over a year and still find it not user friendly. I don't have confidence that it's found all the information I've asked of it when searching. A national system is pie in the sky. The NHS have been developing one for years. It's over spent, over due and does not do its intended purpose. Probably because the public sector developed it.
  7. SEARCH assessment Oct

    Hi, Looking for anyone else who's due to attend their SEARCH day in Oct. Have just under 4 weeks to prepare, so nervous but really excited too 😊 Anything else I should be doing other than reading Police books, talking to other officers to gain an insight into the job, looking at the forces website, going over my competencies... really want this! Thanks
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  9. Wasted IT budgets hindering police productivity

    The first step to what? Other Niche forces use the same platform as each other, meanwhile the Athena project gathers momentum with other forces joining. Durham isn't going to change from its in house built system. A national system has been a dream for at least 20 years since PITO gave it a good crack and it will still be being talked about in another 20 years unless the Government dictates something and pays for it.
  10. No news is good news?? (AVSP)

    Completely normal.
  11. Hello maddebz On behalf of the Police Community Team I would like to personally welcome you to our forum. Please feel free to say hello and introduce yourself, tell us a little bit about you, what brought you to Police Community and what you hope to use the site for as we would love to hear. If you have any questions that you would like to ask the Police Community Team please feel free to drop one of us a message. Best Wishes Chief Rat
  12. Latest Police Use Of Force Witchhunt

    I wonder how much you can get for the videos. Might be time to start following some other teams on a weekend shift. Our staff safety seems to vary between inefficient to brutal. Both of which should probably be avoided.
  13. Cheshire. North Wales and Merseyside and linking up with NICHE so the first step has been taken.
  14. Kim says 'deranged' Trump shows need for nuclear programme 22 September 2017 From the section Asia Image copyright Reuters/KCNA Image caption On Thursday North Korean state news agency released this picture of Mr Kim delivering his statement Kim Jong-un has said remarks by "deranged" US President Donald Trump have convinced him he is right to develop weapons for North Korea. In a rare personal statement, via state media, the North Korean leader said Mr Trump would "pay dearly" for his recent speech to the UN. The US president said on Tuesday that if America was forced to defend itself it would "totally destroy" North Korea. Mr Trump also mockingly called Mr Kim a "rocket man" on a "suicide mission". The two countries have been engaging in increasingly heated rhetoric in recent months. North Korea has been testing missiles at an unprecedented rate, and conducted its sixth nuclear test despite international condemnation. North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong-ho, who had earlier compared Mr Trump's speech to "the sound of a barking dog", has warned that Pyongyang could test a hydrogen bomb in the Pacific Ocean in response to the US president's threat, reported South Korea's Yonhap news agency. What missiles and nuclear weapons does North Korea have? North Korea crisis in 300 words What are North Korea's other WMDs? Mr Kim said in an English statement carried by state news agency KCNA that Mr Trump's remarks "have convinced me, rather than frightening or stopping me, that the path I chose is correct and that it is the one I have to follow to the last". He said "now that Trump has denied the existence of and insulted me and my country in front of the eyes of the world and made the most ferocious declaration of a war in history", North Korea would consider the "highest level of hard-line countermeasure" to make Mr Trump "pay dearly for his speech". He ended by saying he would "surely and definitely tame the mentally deranged US dotard with fire", employing a rarely used word for an old person. Media playback is unsupported on your device Media captionTrump: 'Rocket Man's suicide mission'Mr Trump on Thursday signed a new order boosting sanctions against North Korea, where the US treasury would target firms and financial institutions doing business with Pyongyang. He said: "For much too long North Korea has been allowed to abuse the international financial system to facilitate funding for its nuclear weapons and missile programs." The UN Security Council had approved new rounds of sanctions earlier this month aimed of starving North Korea of fuel and income, which were in response to Pyongyang's much-condemned sixth nuclear test on 3 September. How do you defend against Pyongyang? Sanctions won't stop us, warns N Korea Can the world live with a nuclear North Korea? North Korea was one of the top issues dominating the agenda at the UN General Assembly in New York, where several speakers called for a de-escalation of tensions. Media playback is unsupported on your device Media captionHow would war with North Korea unfold?Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov warned that "military hysteria" over the nuclear testing would lead to "disaster", while China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi told Pyongyang not to go in a "dangerous direction". Mr Wang told the UN on Thursday that there should be no new nuclear weapons on the Korean peninsula "whether it is in the North or the South". View the full article
  15. LEVICK

    Hi everyone!

  16. I'm pretty sure that our respective training is pretty similar. Although if you're training lots of police officers of varying degrees of skill and enthusiasm you have to aim for the lowest common denominator and keep things simple. When I say 'continuum of force' I mean what you say: deciding for yourself what weapon to use and then be prepared to justify it. The only obvious difference is that for us, options such as Taser or lethal force are never ever 'authorised' by anyone - you just show up and if you decide to shoot someone, that's it. What's more, the lethal option is open to everyone, from the recruit showing up on day 1 to the guy who's retiring at the end of the week. I agree with others that if you're expecting a special to face the same dangers as a regular police officer, you have to give him the same equipment.
  17. LEVICK - Welcome To Police Community

    Thank you for the warm welcome. I have just left college this year and have recently turned 18. My application was accepted and I was sent to an assessment centre 2 days ago. (Seemed very quick to get me in considering i sent my application mid july!) I found it very tough as I had never had a serious fulltime formal job interview before. (All or my jobs have been of family friends or small stores). I also ran out of time for the maths test and cant remember how many I had conpleted before the time was up. I think the nerves affected my maths as it was my first task. The role play was obviously challenging and I'm really not sure how I had done here. Same applies for the interview. I came out of this assessment centre thinking I have most definitely failed. I signed up here to share my progress and view other peoples progress. ~ M.LEVICK.
  18. Hello LEVICK On behalf of the Police Community Team I would like to personally welcome you to our forum. Please feel free to say hello and introduce yourself, tell us a little bit about you, what brought you to Police Community and what you hope to use the site for as we would love to hear. If you have any questions that you would like to ask the Police Community Team please feel free to drop one of us a message. Best Wishes Chief Rat
  19. 22 September 2017 An open letter demanding answers from Government on the derisory pay award for police officers has been published by those representing rank and file officers from across the country. Representatives from all 43 Police Federations in the country endorsed the letter, saying that “members were angry” and forces “had been put in an impossible situation.” “We feel the government has not been truthful and honest about the pay award given to officers, and that is insulting. The two percent awarded has to come from existing policing budgets which means forces may have to choose between officer numbers and public safety. That cannot be right,” said Calum Macleod, vice-chair, a view echoed around the country. You can read the full letter below: An open letter to Government, on behalf of the 43 Federations of England and Wales 22 September, 2017 Dear Prime Minister On behalf of the hard working officers who are working to the bone to protect our people, who fight to protect our communities and who keep you safe, we demand answers. And we demand that you tell the public the truth. About crime figures. About police numbers. About the ‘extra’ officers you pledge. About ‘extra’ money you say you will pay. No more smoke. No more mirrors. No more double standards. You expect officers to run towards terrorists one minute and then turn your backs when we ask for help so they can afford to feed their families. Families they barely see because of the hours they work to fill the void left by the thousands of officers who are no longer there because of your cuts. Officers who are now broken. Who are unable to cope with the mental and physical demands placed upon them by having to work in depleted environments. With out of date kit .With fewer people. With no support. One chief constable has just this week told you that 40% of his officers have sought professional help for stress. It is the tip of the iceberg. Our officers are committed to serving the public. And we thank the public for their overwhelming support, particularly in light of recent incidents. But with 20,000 fewer police officers than five years ago it is no wonder we have seen crime rise and the service to the public suffer. This is not fair on them. And two per cent pay rise with no extra money to pay for it means it is the public who will yet again suffer and get even less of a service. So hear us when we say: The pay award of on average less than £10 a week is insulting. A two per cent rise is not a rise when it has to come from existing policing budgets. It’s a disgrace you have dressed it up as a pay rise. Funding must come centrally; it is unfair to make the public suffer with fewer officers available to fight crime. It’s a disgrace you have ignored the recommendations from the independent Police Remuneration Review Body – the very body you set up to advise on police pay. Forces cannot cope with any further falls in police numbers. Communities will be further under threat at the very time protection is needed the most. Community policing plays a vital part in intelligence gathering to help combat terrorism and it has been decimated. ‘Extra’ police officers are not ‘extra’ police officers. They are the same officers doing longer hours, being called back in when they are off or being given extra responsibilities. Crime is not falling. And answer our questions: Why was the independent body which has awarded MPs and ministers a 13% rise over the last three years listened to when the independent police body on pay was not? How can you justify these double standards? Do you think it is acceptable that the derisory pay award is expected to come at a cost of losing more officers? Our members have been failed by: The FAILURE to heed our warnings. The FAILURE to implement the very recommendations of the independent bodies you introduced. The FAILURE to support them and the police service as a whole. The FAILURE to help officers protect the country. The FAILURE to help officers protect the public adequately. We don’t want meaningless platitudes. We want a properly funded and well-resourced police service. The public rightly want and expect this. For the sake of those who put their lives on the line for the public we demand you address these injustices and give us answers. Members of the interim National Council View the full article
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  21. Negative aspects of the job

    Ah ha. Force specific then. In the force I currently work the crime would be recorded and written up as victim not willing to support further action. Safeguarding options considered. No viable enquiries and the electronic record finalised with the appropriate outcome. No paperwork would be required.
  22. No news is good news?? (AVSP)

    I would say don't worry and that it is normal not to hear for a bit. The longest gap with no communication from the recruitment team I have had so far is 6 months.
  23. Should police work with anti-paedophile vigilantes?

    You never want something driven underground it's true and to a extent naming and shaming has the potential to do alot of harm to the families involved. It's not the paedophile hunters who are responsible though, it's the actions of the perpetrators themselves. Often I have heard drivers 'blame' the police for ruining their careers because they lost their jobs as a consequence of being caught driving over the limit for the umpteen time when there are 'rapists and murderers' about but we're picking on them for being easy targets. Then they cry and sob in court how they need their licence, the mortgage needs paying and their family life is on a knife edge.. Well. It's what happens I'm afraid, they'll get their licence back one day and the opportunity to rebuild their family. Unlike the families of the people I've cried over at the side of the road after being hit by drivers who were doing something they shouldn't. What Im saying is. I'd rather have a man/woman exposed for grooming than a child raped and then caught.. How many people say "it was only the once.. A moment of madness." there was always a first time. It's very sad indeed. There's no winners.
  24. Hello Rob89 On behalf of the Police Community Team I would like to personally welcome you to our forum. Please feel free to say hello and introduce yourself, tell us a little bit about you, what brought you to Police Community and what you hope to use the site for as we would love to hear. If you have any questions that you would like to ask the Police Community Team please feel free to drop one of us a message. Best Wishes Chief Rat
  25. Brexit: PM bids to break deadlock with two-year deal offer 21 September 2017 From the section UK Politics Related Topics Brexit Image copyright Reuters Theresa May will tell EU leaders there is a shared responsibility to make Brexit work "smoothly" as she attempts to break the deadlock in negotiations. In a major speech in Florence on Friday, she will say history will judge Brexit "not for the differences we faced, but for the vision we showed". The BBC understands she will propose a two-year transitional deal, after March 2019, ahead of a permanent trade deal. It could include payments worth 20bn euros over the two years. May 'to offer 20bn euros' transitional deal Laura Kuenssberg: A cash offer? The Brexit transition options A guide to the Brexit negotiations According to pre-released excerpts from her speech, the prime minister will say that a successful final agreement is in the interests of both the UK and the remaining EU countries. "If we can do that, then when this chapter of our European history is written, it will be remembered not for the differences we faced, but for the vision we showed; not for the challenges we endured but for the creativity we used to overcome them; not for a relationship that ended but a new partnership that began." She is expected to say, if the UK and EU can be "imaginative and creative" about establishing a new relationship, both sides can be "optimistic about the future". Mrs May will argue that it is "in all of our interests for our negotiations to succeed… so I believe we share a profound sense of responsibility to make this change work smoothly and sensibly, not just for people today but for the next generation who will inherit the world we leave them". The view from Brussels Image copyright Reuters Image caption EU negotiatior Michel Barnier will be watching the speech closely By the BBC's Adam Fleming Politicians and officials across the EU will listen to the tone of Theresa May's speech but they mostly care about the content and its effect on the Brexit talks. The UK's offer to pay its membership fees until the end of the seven-year budget cycle is more generous than Britain's pitch at the last round of talks but less than Michel Barnier wants. And the media has paid little attention to the impasse over citizens rights, where the EU fears its nationals will have to go through an unacceptable administrative process to stay in the UK after Brexit. Diplomats point out that talk is fine but the negotiations advance on concrete proposals, written down in legalistic documents. Brussels officials are also gripped by the political situation in the UK, with one senior figure suggesting the prime minister is too weak to offer anything big and might not even be in her job in two weeks' time. They are open to a transition deal but the further it deviates from EU membership, the harder it will be to negotiate in the limited time available. The BBC understands the prime minister will make what has been described as an "open and generous" offer, potentially worth 20bn euros over the two years - which could plug a black hole in the current EU budget, which runs to 2020 - created by the UK's departure. Mrs May briefed her top team at a marathon two and a half hour cabinet meeting in Downing Street on Thursday on what she will say in Florence. A government source said that the intention was to make the potential payments conditional on continued access to the single market and some form of customs union which allowed the UK to strike its own trade deals during the transition period. Media playback is unsupported on your device Media captionWhy Florence?Mrs May is not expected to say exactly how much the cash offer will be worth, the exact nature of the arrangements for accessing the single market or any conditions attached to the money in her much-anticipated speech, as these are subject to the negotiations in Brussels. Additional long-term liabilities, like EU pensions and debts, will also have to be dealt with in the talks to come, so the eventual Brexit bill is likely to be far higher than that 20bn euros (about £18bn). The prime minister is also expected to repeat her assertion that the UK will seek its own bespoke trade deal after Brexit with the rest of the EU. In a speech to the Italian parliament on Thursday, the EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said that striking a deal with the UK was "in our common interest" but that only a year remained to come to agreement on the key issues - as six months would be needed for ratification before March 2019. Mr Barnier said he was awaiting "clear commitments" from the UK on the issue of guaranteeing EU citizens' rights, on the financial settlement and on the Northern Ireland border. Without those issues being resolved in a withdrawal agreement, there would be no transition deal, he said. The fourth round of Brexit negotiations begins on 25 September, with the UK due to leave the EU in March 2019. View the full article
  26. Negative aspects of the job

    Whoops, apologies for that atrocious sentence! I'll give a bit more detail A victim was reporting he was assaulted, but he refused to answer his phone, so had to see him in person. When I got there, victim states that he super drunk, was punched in the head, and then fell unconscious. He doesn't know who hit him or why. No CCTV or witness. He didn't want police to do anything about it, and just wanted to report it to police. But because the initial call, the victim appeared to be suffering from MH. So it's getting investigated because he is considered vulnerable purely because of what he said on the initial call.... Much better (I hope!)
  27. Should police work with anti-paedophile vigilantes?

    I don't support or advocate what these people do, but I don't think that they generally act as 'agent provocateur'. They set up a social media profile and then wait. When contacted, they clarify their age. They then put up some 'natural' resistance as the grooming process commences. The people that do get caught have been given rope, after rope, after rope to hand themselves and they generally keep taking it. I don't have much sympathy for those caught by them but I do have sympathy for their families. The aggressive tactics of some of these groups have involved them 'door stopping' the culprits, who are often a socially excluded demographic, and then having it out in their living room in front of their shocked relatives / partners whom were not in a position to give informed consent to be be filmed. These people chuck some bait and they fish. I don't think that they entrap. Is such a tactic a legitimate law enforcement tactic? Well, these sad pathetic paedos may spend thousands of hours online and no young person would have realistically agree to meet them. It could have been all just a pseudo-fantasy. The issue for m isn't the tactic but the outcome. If the consequence of catching these paedos is that they end up more likely to reoffend then that is count intuitive. If policing is to use such a tactic there needs to be a disposal where these people are made subject to some sort of civil monitoring order, rather than named and shamed. If they have no kiddie porn on their hard drives, if they don't work with children or young people and if there is a risk assessment that they do not pose a threat in the 'real world', then they shouldn't be prosecuted. Taking such an approach would legitimize the tactic. It would allow those at risk of further offending to be caught and monitored, rather than their lives ruined .
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