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  2. @stewie_griffin how long is your initial course? @Jeebs how long is the PSNI course?
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  4. Man shot in Bangor supermarket car park 28 May 2017 From the section UK A man has been shot in a supermarket car park in Bangor, County Down. It happened outside the town's Sainsbury's in the Balloo Link area on Sunday afternoon. Det Sgt Keith Wilson said: "Police are currently in attendance at an incident in the Balloo Link area of Bangor. It is believed that one man has sustained gunshot wounds." It is understood the car park was full of shoppers at the time. Police have appealed for information. View the full article
  5. I have a pistol and a taser and I've done patrol and surveillance. I've only done the basic firearms course, which is probably pretty standard across Canada. It's a basic course that teaches a single weapon (Glock 22 in .40) as well as pretty basic tactics and when to resort to lethal force, using a variety of scenario and classroom lessons. We have access to the range most days, but sometimes only at lunchtime because of ongoing training. We have to qualify every year. My point is that because we are armed, we are able to respond to almost anything. BUT we still need specialist firearms officers (called Tactical here) to deal with certain tasks that are beyond the capability of regular armed patrol units. These would include barricaded subjects, hostage taking and certain pre-planned, high-risk vehicle stops. I don't think anyone is saying two weeks is enough time to train fully qualified AFOs, but you can train most ordinary patrol officers to use a pistol and the keener ones to use a rifle.
  6. Captor2 / PAVA. Used to use CS which had a red lid Sent from my iPhone using Police Community
  7. I think people struggle with a pistol far more than a rifle. I have used a few different pistols in my time and the Glock is by far the best in my experience. I would agree that shoots between re-quals are equally important and it would need a signifficant culture change in the police to be successful
  8. @VerySpecialConstable.Re the last line of your letter, I don't think so. I retired recently so it wouldn't concern me. No one knows when they might face a Jim Beaton GC type situation, he was unlucky with his handgun when he most needed it. I recall opinion on it all at the time from discussions I had in the pub/club/station. Most seemed to be concerned, annoyed even, at the pistol jamming at the crucial moment . Some may say that the role of a royal protection officer/bodyguard is hardly the same as the bobby on the beat, but who knows if the bobby is likely to come across someone who is mentally deranged like that man (Albert Dryden) in Co Durham who murdered the planning officer and shot and wounded a police officer and reporter . In all these random instances I don't think there would be many onlookers who would say, "oh, I don't think that police officer should be armed and shooting that person, it's just not british" , etc they would be saying "it's a good job that police officer is/was armed" probably. That's the crux of the matter,it depends which member of the public is being asked. However, if I was still operating and specials got a choice I wouldn't be able to make my mind up. The holster wouldn't be anything fancy though, or the gun numb and heavy. I had a Hi Power 9mm pistol for very many years and was quite happy with it, I even won a club competition with it once on the outdoor range, admittedly only by one point. The other guy should really have won because he was more consistent and normally a better shot than me but I was lucky and that's the way it goes sometimes. Some maybe would like the 1911 .45in like the Americans had during WW2 for stopping power and it's hard to disagree but I expect the gun of choice issued will be a 9 mm of some description, it might even depend on cost/bulk buying If and when the time comes. . Rich.
  9. The case also said that it would be for a jury to decided and IIRC that there was a lack of clarity in law regarding Child v Parents opinions. However, a year later Gillick v West Norfolk health authority did clarify this legal position. So, for me a parent's right to enforce their will deminishes as the child's ability to make decision increases.
  10. For you, but many people struggle with it. If an AFO fails a reclassification it's nearly always on the glock. Bear in mind most cops barely get any shooting practice between classification shoots. There would also need to be a decision on whether emergency search training is also needed. As far as I'm aware all AFOs need a minimum of emergency search training currently.
  11. Don't worry about pay, theres plenty of overtime. I know of one PC who did so much he was in around £100k
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  13. The lids seen to be interchangeable. I guess you could swap any lid onto any canister.
  14. I can't see why there would be to be honest, in most armed police forces around the world there isn't a choice. You get what you are given whether the ergonomics suit you or not! Different to an extent in the US due to the availability of firearms over there but we don't get a choice about much else.
  15. Well, their location would be unknown and in this scenario there must have been some grounds to be concerned for her welfare for her to be medium risk had it got to that stage, so the criteria are met from the outset. Either you want every risk controlled or you don't. It is if it's a completely speculative risk introduced to justify a particular course of action which is often disproportionate to the likelihood of that extreme outcome happening. That sort of "what if" thinking ignoring the low probability of a particular extreme outcome occurring isn't helpful and eclipses other more probable risks; we always think about suicide and self-harm in mispers and for a long time practically ignored CSE for instance, even though that was a far bigger cause of harm. It's not even a particularly strong argument, if they're going to hang themselves they might just as well do it wherever else you take them and you'd be back to square one. I'm not sure it's helpful to start describing every row or instance of rebellion as a "breakdown", as these things are often over and done in a short space of time and can be dealt with perfectly adequately by the parents - I'd start describing it as a breakdown where the child has become violent or unmanageable and in that case there are likely to be offences in play. Where it strikes me that the child is just throwing a tantrum then I'd think it perfectly appropriate for them to stay there. I've not said anything about locking anyone in their room or anything like that, although locking the front and back doors is not unreasonable; I'd expect the parents to appropriately supervise the child until things settled down.
  16. I've been issued CS with a red lid before, same as our PAVA now. Think somebody procuring these things just likes certain colours.
  17. Thought AFO was very basic training and ARV was much more tactical based hence why one could be done a lot quicker than the other. Oh and before people shout at me I'm aware I've over simplified it.
  18. EDINBURGH & ABERDEEN ONLY Link The closing date for applications is FRIDAY 9TH JUNE 2017 at 1400. Good luck to all who apply.
  19. They're not missing though, are they. Yet. Talking about hanging isn't muddled, nor confusing and it is entirely something we need to consider. The child staying in the house where there is a breakdown between the mother and child is not helpful - nor is advising them to lock them in. There are undeniable varying factors here and the actions taken depend on them. On the face of the OP, you don't have a power to remove or taking the child back in that situation. The CoP is quite clear on its guidance with this. -Sherlock
  20. I'm not inclined to put too much weight to that PDF, it's written by a pressure group, provides no source for its claims and other sections like stop and search are over-simplified; it also talks in the same breath about going to court to retrieve children who have run away for good, which is distinct from normal parenting. R vs Rahman [1985] (PNLD ref C134) makes it clear that a parent is allowed to detain a child for purposes of reasonable parental discipline. @Sherlock, there's more than a grain of inconsistency in your posts here; one moment you must know exactly where they're going and who they're with and the next you're happy to let them wander off to an unknown location without considering them missing even if they fit the criteria. Talking about them hanging themselves is the sort of muddled and unhelpful thinking which clouds sensible decision making in the police, it's not been mentioned at all in the OP but even if it was a history of self-harm probably mitigates against removing that child from the care of someone aware of and accustomed to managing such risks. In any case if we aren't either arresting the child or taking them into police protection then we have no right to overrule the parent's wishes about where they stay.
  21. The texting system on the railway to BTP works well, had some good arrests on the back of it including cocaine possession, public order, assault etc.
  22. British Airways: Chaos continues at Heathrow 28 May 2017 From the section UK Image caption Some passengers have slept in Heathrow Airport since the disruption began on Saturday More than a third of British Airways flights from Heathrow have been cancelled as disruption to passengers enters a second day. The airline was hit by a worldwide computer system power failure on Saturday, causing cancellations and delays for thousands of passengers. Sunday departures from Gatwick are delayed, but none have been cancelled. The airline urged people to check the status of flights before before travelling to the airport. Heathrow Airport is providing an updated schedule on its website, as is Gatwick. BA apologised to customers for the issue, which is thought to have been caused by a problem with the IT system's power supply. How many flights are affected? Image copyright Getty Images Between 06:00 and 11:00 BST on Sunday, 143 British Airways flights were scheduled to depart from London Heathrow and Gatwick Airport. So far 90 flights have left Heathrow and 36 have been cancelled. At Gatwick, 17 planes have departed and no flights have been cancelled. The airline is liable to reimburse thousands of passengers for refreshments and hotel costs. Customers displaced by flight cancellations can claim up to £200 a day for a room (based on two people sharing), £50 for transport between the hotel and airport, and £25 a day per adult for meals and refreshments. There have been reports that some passengers who departed from Heathrow on Saturday found their luggage was not at their destination when they landed. Terry Page, 28, arrived in Fort Worth, Texas after delays and claimed that "about 50" passengers did not have their check-in luggage. Thousands of bags remain at Heathrow Airport, but BA has advised passengers not to return to collect them, saying they will be couriered to customers. The airport also said passengers whose flights were cancelled should not travel to Heathrow unless they have already rebooked their flight. A spokesman said staff were "continuing to give passengers free water and snacks". On Saturday passengers described "chaotic" scenes at the airports, with some criticising BA for a lack of information. The airline apologised and said it was refunding and rebooking customers. The company's chief executive Alex Cruz had said it was believed "the root cause [of the computer problems] was a power supply issue". The company said there was no evidence the failure was the result of a cyber attack. Media playback is unsupported on your device Media captionMark Birt has been left waiting in a bereavement room at Dublin airportOther airlines flying in and out of the two airports were unaffected. The IT failure affected check-in and operational systems, including customer service phone lines. BA said although some of its IT systems had returned, "there will be some knock-on disruption to our schedules as aircraft and crews are out of position around the world. "We are repositioning some aircraft during the night to enable us to operate as much of our schedule as possible throughout Sunday." BA passengers 'trying not to cry' A spokesman added: "We are extremely sorry for the huge disruption caused to customers throughout Saturday and understand how frustrating their experiences will have been. "We are refunding or rebooking customers who suffered cancellations on to new services as quickly as possible and have also introduced more flexible rebooking policies for anyone due to travel on Sunday and Monday who no longer wishes to fly to/from Heathrow or Gatwick." The GMB union had suggested the failure could have been avoided, had the airline not outsourced its IT work. BA denied the claim, saying: "We would never compromise the integrity and security of our IT systems". Image copyright Getty Images Image caption Passengers were left stranded outside Heathrow Terminal 5 on Saturday as a result of the IT failure Aviation expert Julian Bray told the BBC the IT failure had an impact on planes taking off, as well as baggage systems, and staff access to computers. "This is a very serious problem, they should have been able to switch to an alternative system - surely British Airways should be able to do this," he said. BA aircraft landing at Heathrow were unable to park as outbound aircraft could not vacate the gates, which resulted in passengers being stuck on aircraft. Delays were also reported in Rome, Prague, Milan, Stockholm and Malaga due to the system failure, which coincided with a bank holiday weekend and the start of the half-term holiday for many people in the UK. EU flight delay rights If your flight departed the European Union or was with a European airline, you might have rights under EU law to claim if the delay or cancellation was within the airline's control Short-haul flights: 250 euros for delays of more than three hours Medium-haul flights: 400 euros for delays of more than three hours Long-haul flights: 300 euros for delays of between three and four hours; and 600 euros for delays of more than four hours If your flight's delayed for two or more hours the airline must offer food and drink, access to phone calls and emails, and accommodation if you're delayed overnight - including transfers between the airport and the hotel Are you a BA passenger currently at Heathrow or Gatwick airport? Email with your stories. Please include a contact number if you are willing to speak to a BBC journalist. 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  23. Thats good for you then. I know a lot of people, myself included that have to work hard to keep their glock shooting up to pass tac refs. Re tactics, if you're expecting officers to be armed and deployed as AFOS, a couple of weeks is not enough. My course was 10 weeks (ARV) with a massive amount of content with not a lot of time to learn it in!
  24. A sensible approach I wouldn't disagree with.
  25. I was recently in the USA and had the chance to go to a range and shoot a variety of pistols... I found the Glock to be uncomfortable and as a result my accuracy suffered. I can't remember the exact models, but I much preferred the S&W that I used. Assumedly any side arm would be issued but I wonder if there would be a choice in sidearms?
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