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  2. If it's kindergarten, isn't the first action to put them both on the naughty step?
  3. Perhaps a harassment warning for both would be successful
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  5. 'We demand you tell the public the truth'

    And after the Edmund Davies formula came in the national Federation really had very little to do with negotiating our pay and conditions. I'm not sure how powerful an influence they were in getting the ED deal either, officers voting with their feet, leaving in high numbers, on benefits, their children on free school meals all painted a more worrying picture to the Government than the Fed Reps asking for more. We had a whole generation of National Fed reps who met up every year to consider a (generally) above inflation pay 'offer'. So no negotiation and influencing skills required. Then ED goes and those people are well out of their comfort zones, what happened to that nice few days in a hotel, wine with the meal and walk away with 3-5% pay rise? 'You can have 0-1%' 'That's not acceptable to our members.' 'And what will they do about it?' 'They will be very displeased and will moan and groan about you and us.' '0% it is then' 'We will put the suggestion of industrial action to our members to vote on.' 'Good luck with that one. See you next year.'
  6. Hello mastersgta1 On behalf of the Police Community Team I would like to personally welcome you to our forum. Please feel free to say hello and introduce yourself, tell us a little bit about you, what brought you to Police Community and what you hope to use the site for as we would love to hear. If you have any questions that you would like to ask the Police Community Team please feel free to drop one of us a message. Best Wishes Chief Rat
  7. China limits oil trade to North Korea and bans textile trade 23 September 2017 From the section Asia Image copyright AFP Image caption Petrol prices are on the rise in Pyongyang China has moved to limit North Korea's oil supply and will stop buying textiles from the politically isolated nation, it said on Saturday. China is North Korea's most important trading partner, and one of its only sources of hard currency. The ban on textiles trade will hurt Pyongyang's income, while China's oil exports are the country's main source of petroleum products. The move follows fresh sanctions agreed at the UN earlier this month. China, traditionally North Korea's only ally, toughened its stance in response to North Korea's sixth nuclear test - its largest to date. Media playback is unsupported on your device Media captionWas your T-shirt made in North Korea?A statement from the commerce ministry said restrictions on refined petroleum products would apply from 1 October, and on liquefied natural gas immediately. A limited amount, allowed under the UN resolution, would still be exported to North Korea. The current volume of trade between the two countries - and how much the new limits reduce it by - is not yet clear. Kim and Trump 'children in kindergarten' What weapons does North Korea have? How a Pacific nuclear test might happen China and Russia had initially opposed a proposal from the United States to completely ban oil exports, but later agreed to the reduced measures. The AFP news agency reports that petrol prices in Pyongyang have risen by about 20% in the past two months. "It was $1.90 yesterday, today it is $2," a petrol station employee told the agency. "I expect the price will go up in the future." North Korea has little energy production of its own, but does refine some petroleum products from crude oil it imports. It does produce coal, some $1.2bn of which was exported to China in 2016, but China had already strictly limited its imports of North Korean coal earlier this year. North Korea's foreign minister is expected to speak at the United Nations General Assembly later on Saturday. View the full article
  8. SEARCH assessment Oct

    Everyone has pretty much summed it up really, my two pennies worth would be advice that I was given...you are being monitored throughout the whole day so be very careful about what you say. People are constantly watching and listening to you even when you think no ones about so just be careful. Also it really is a mentally exhausting day so make sure you get a good nights sleep the night before (I know this is easier said than done when you're anxious and nervous about it) and take snacks with you. I came out of it feeling like a broken man but when I look back it was invaluable experience, they want to see how you react in the different situations. Try and stay calm and just be genuine when giving your responses, don't pretend to be something you think they want you to be. Good luck [emoji1303]
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  10. He ran from the vehicle directly through the gate, to the officer and stabbed him... and you're asserting that he didn't target an officer ... OK
  11. Hello Future recruit On behalf of the Police Community Team I would like to personally welcome you to our forum. Please feel free to say hello and introduce yourself, tell us a little bit about you, what brought you to Police Community and what you hope to use the site for as we would love to hear. If you have any questions that you would like to ask the Police Community Team please feel free to drop one of us a message. Best Wishes Chief Rat
  12. Russia: Trump and Kim are like 'children in a kindergarten' 22 September 2017 From the section Asia Image copyright EPA Image caption Mr Lavrov said the exchanges were "like when children in a kindergarten start fighting". Russia's foreign minister has likened the war of words between Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un to a kindergarten fight between children. The North Korean leader earlier labelled Mr Trump "mentally deranged" and a "dotard" after Mr Trump threatened to destroy his country. Mr Trump responded with a tweet calling Kim Jong-un "a madman" who "will be tested like never before!" Moscow's Sergei Lavrov said a pause was needed, "to calm down the hotheads". "Yes, it's unacceptable to silently watch North Korea's nuclear military adventures but it is also unacceptable to unleash war on the Korean Peninsula," he said. Skip Twitter post by @realDonaldTrump Report End of Twitter post by @realDonaldTrump He called for a political process, which he said was a key part of the United Nations Security Council process. "Together with China we'll continue to strive for a reasonable approach and not an emotional one like when children in a kindergarten start fighting and no-one can stop them," he said. Media playback is unsupported on your device Media captionTrump: 'Rocket Man's suicide mission'The North Korean leader had attacked Donald Trump days after his speech at the UN, in which the US president said he would "totally destroy" North Korea if the US was forced to defend itself or its allies. He also mocked Kim Jong-un with a disparaging nickname, saying: "Rocket man is on a suicide mission." But the North Korean leader said remarks by the "deranged" US president convinced him he is right to develop weapons for North Korea. Image copyright Reuters/KCNA Image caption On Thursday North Korean state news agency released this picture of Mr Kim delivering his statement In an unprecedented personal statement, Mr Kim said Mr Trump would "pay dearly" for his speech, which he labelled "unprecedented rude nonsense". He said Mr Trump had insulted his country in the eyes of the world, and threatened to "surely and definitely tame the mentally deranged US dotard with fire." Experts say this is the first time a North Korean leader has made a direct address to an international audience - and it merits serious and thorough consideration. China also urged a calming of the heated rhetoric on both sides, saying the issue was "complicated and sensitive". "All relevant parties should exercise restraint instead of provoking each other," said Foreign Minister spokesman Lu Kang. Kim's 'dotard' insult explained What weapons does North Korea have? North Korea's nuclear weapons programme has demonstrated unprecedented progress this year. It recently conducted its sixth nuclear test and now claims it has miniaturised a nuclear warhead to fit on a long-range missile. Media playback is unsupported on your device Media captionHow would war with North Korea unfold?North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong-ho earlier warned that Pyongyang could test a hydrogen bomb in the Pacific Ocean in response to the US president's threat. That would demonstrate North Korea's claimed thermonuclear capability as a credible threat. But the risk of such a move would be very high. It is not certain that missile defence systems in the Pacific could intercept the missile, and the risk of accidentally striking Japan - over which recent tests have flown - could spark a serious conflict. How a Pacific nuclear test might happen How do you defend against Pyongyang? Can the world live with a nuclear North Korea? Earlier, Mr Kim's comments had prompted swift criticism from the Japanese government. Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga said in a news conference on Friday: "North Korea's remarks and behaviour are provocative to regional and international security, and they are absolutely unacceptable." Mr Trump on Thursday signed a new order boosting sanctions against North Korea, where the US treasury would target firms and financial institutions doing business with Pyongyang. He said: "For much too long North Korea has been allowed to abuse the international financial system to facilitate funding for its nuclear weapons and missile programs." The UN Security Council had approved new rounds of sanctions earlier this month aimed at starving North Korea of fuel and income, which were in response to Pyongyang's much-condemned sixth nuclear test on 3 September. View the full article
  13. 'We demand you tell the public the truth'

    Oooops forgot, then after Thatcher along came John Major and Sheehy in 1993 and anything given by Thatcher was taken away from new officers with knobs on. As I remember the Fed weren't particularly effective then either. Housing allowance, police housing, pensions went out the window. You see Mr Major didn't think he owed the police anything, his time in the Treasury thought, like the current Government the public masses aren't too concerned if it doesn't affect them.
  14. BBC: Traveller family slavery gang boss jailed for 10 years

    Don't worry we are already disagreeing over Thatcher and the PFEW, natural order is restored
  15. 'We demand you tell the public the truth'

    As I understand it you have been retired sometime now. The PFEW isn't the beast it once was in our day. I had no need to become a rep, the federation did a decent job then. However, your comments regarding Thatcher are a little ill judged. The police during Thatcher's time became a political tool used by her and we did well personally out of it. I was around at that time, like you and it was a common discussion point, but the overtime was good and people accepted being used in that way. However, the cover up of Hillsborough, plus a number of other scandals, some of which you have previously mentioned, are partly due to Thatcher's overly close relationship with the police. That's what lead to the Government giving in to the Federation's demands, because she felt obliged and owed the police for their support.
  16. I will have to see the Doctor as I agree with you. Considering their community usually do not give a dam about others they seem to be very touchy themselves.
  17. PFEW: Increased support for routine arming

    Police are already routinely armed with weapons classified as firearms. As already mentioned, policing by consent is nonsense, the public expect officers to be armed, if you exclude the liberal middle class. Maybe officers have simply had enough of facing lethal risks with nothing more than some spray and a shaky stick. You can’t live in the past and just hope to keep up with society
  18. Nonsense you can’t prove that was his plan, that officer wasn’t targeted specifically. Even if you could prove your claim, 1 occurrence doesn’t prove that police officers personally face such a targeted risk so regularly that it poses a real threat. By this reasoning military personnel are targeted more often, which would more justify their arming. (Which is ludicrous at present) The arming of police isn’t because officers are targeted, but to provide them a leathal option when responding to incidents and add resilience into the system for when incidents occur and make firearms more available to officers.
  19. Did you ever rise from your chair and put yourself forward as a Fed Rep, I doubt it. If you could do better, then why have you not done so. The letter makes many salient points. You are also ready to accuse the public of being fickle and you do not get support by insulting them. Back in 1974 the Federation made similar appeals which were recognised by the public. It forced the Politicians into the Edmund Davies review which was rejected by Jim Callan and implemented, in full, by Margaret Thatcher the day she walked into Downing Street.
  20. BBC: Traveller family slavery gang boss jailed for 10 years

    All the judge did was echo the claims made by defendants followed by a genuine concern.
  21. 'We demand you tell the public the truth'

    It is very poorly written and grammatical horrendous. But even worse than that, if I was the Maybot I would probably think to myself, 'So glad I sorted that shower out when I was Home Secretary', because it is amateurish at best, inept at worst, and reads like a dictate from Len McCluskey. My local newspaper is full of similar letters from the local jobsworth. For me the PFEW has had its day. Government, Parliament and the NPCC and CoP five it no more than a cursory notice. It is less productive than most unions and far more expensive. Sorry Fed members but it is a toothless poodle.
  22. Hello Farrar On behalf of the Police Community Team I would like to personally welcome you to our forum. Please feel free to say hello and introduce yourself, tell us a little bit about you, what brought you to Police Community and what you hope to use the site for as we would love to hear. If you have any questions that you would like to ask the Police Community Team please feel free to drop one of us a message. Best Wishes Chief Rat
  23. BBC: Traveller family slavery gang boss jailed for 10 years

    A judge's comments about the traveller community have led to a formal complaint. Judge Timothy Spencer QC made the remarks while sentencing members of the Rooney family for modern slavery offences at Nottingham Crown Court. He said he "feared" such exploitation was common at traveller camps. The National Alliance of Gypsy Traveller and Roma Women confirmed it had lodged a complaint to the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office (JCIO). The Rooney family had kept their workers in squalid conditions in caravans at Drinsey Nook in Lincolnshire. The victims were all described as vulnerable adults, aged between 18 and 63, who were often homeless and had been picked up by the defendants from across the UK. 'Demonised everybody' Judge Spencer told the family as he jailed them: "You claimed that what went on at Drinsey was no different from what was going on at any travellers' camp around this country, that all travellers had workers operating under similar conditions. "Sadly, I very much fear that you may be correct about that. But that does not make any of it right." Shay Clipson, chair of the National Alliance of Gypsy Traveller and Roma Women, said the remarks "potentially demonised everybody". "It gave the impression wherever there is a gypsy site there is the potential that people are being exploited," she added. "Judges are not supposed to make social comment, but if he felt the need to do so he would been better placed to ask about why so many vulnerable people are living on the streets where predators of any ethnicity could exploit them. "I am Romany and I frequently visit sites and I have never been on a site where I have seen people being treated as slaves." The BBC has asked the JCIO for comment. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-41366565
  24. Is it me or is that not well written? I'm sure the prime minister is reaching for the cheque book after reading that!!
  25. 'We demand you tell the public the truth'

    Because the police don't deal with 95% of the public each year and unless it personally affects them they don't much care. Somebody else's problem. The public are fickle and the politicians know it, how else could they get away with what they have done.
  26. 'We demand you tell the public the truth'

    Don't the public already know? Lots of coverage in the media about forces in crisis, lots of stories about police not attending certain crimes due to lack of resources, lots of stories about police officers numbers being cut. How can the public not know?
  27. All 43 federations sign open letter to Prime Minister demanding 'a properly funded and well-resourced police service'. Prime Minister Theresa May Those representing rank and file officers across the country have written an open letter to the government describing the recent pay award as 'derisory'. Representatives from all 43 police federations in the country endorsed the letter, saying “members were angry” and forces “had been put in an impossible situation.” Police Federation of England and Wales Vice Chairman Calum Macleod said: “We feel the government has not been truthful and honest about the pay award given to officers, and that is insulting. "The two per cent awarded has to come from existing policing budgets which means forces may have to choose between officer numbers and public safety. That cannot be right." The full letter reads: Dear Prime Minister, On behalf of the hard working officers who are working to the bone to protect our people, who fight to protect our communities and who keep you safe, we demand answers. And we demand that you tell the public the truth. About crime figures. About police numbers. About the ‘extra’ officers you pledge. About ‘extra’ money you say you will pay. No more smoke. No more mirrors. No more double standards. You expect officers to run towards terrorists one minute and then turn your backs when we ask for help so they can afford to feed their families. Families they barely see because of the hours they work to fill the void left by the thousands of officers who are no longer there because of your cuts. Officers who are now broken. Who are unable to cope with the mental and physical demands placed upon them by having to work in depleted environments. With out of date kit .With fewer people. With no support. One chief constable has just this week told you that 40 per cent of his officers have sought professional help for stress. It is the tip of the iceberg. Our officers are committed to serving the public. And we thank the public for their overwhelming support, particularly in light of recent incidents. But with 20,000 fewer police officers than five years ago it is no wonder we have seen crime rise and the service to the public suffer. This is not fair on them. And two per cent pay rise with no extra money to pay for it means it is the public who will yet again suffer and get even less of a service. So hear us when we say: The pay award of on average less than £10 a week is insulting. A two per cent rise is not a rise when it has to come from existing policing budgets. It’s a disgrace you have dressed it up as a pay rise. Funding must come centrally, it is unfair to make the public suffer with fewer officers available to fight crime. It’s a disgrace you have ignored the recommendations from the independent Police Remuneration Review Body – the very body you set up to advise on police pay. Forces cannot cope with any further falls in police numbers. Communities will be further under threat at the very time protection is needed the most. Community policing plays a vital part in intelligence gathering to help combat terrorism and it has been decimated. ‘Extra’ police officers are not ‘extra’ police officers. They are the same officers doing longer hours, being called back in when they are off or being given extra responsibilities. Crime is not falling. And answer our questions: Why was the independent body, which has awarded MPs and ministers a 13 per cent rise over the last three years listened to when the independent police body on pay was not? How can you justify these double standards? Do you think it is acceptable that the derisory pay award is expected to come at a cost of losing more officers? Our members have been failed by: The FAILURE to heed our warnings. The FAILURE to implement the very recommendations of the independent bodies you introduced. The FAILURE to support them and the police service as a whole. The FAILURE to help officers protect the country. The FAILURE to help officers protect the public adequately. We don’t want meaningless platitudes. We want a properly funded and well-resourced police service. The public rightly want and expect this. For the sake of those who put their lives on the line for the public we demand you address these injustices and give us answers. Members of the interim National Council View on Police Oracle
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    If you had to work the Christmas Holidays, I'd rather work night turn, atleast you be able to salvage the daytime to celebrate with family
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