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  1. Go ahead and be concerned on my behalf then. I do my job with integrity and professionalism, and that includes taking the breaks I am entitled to. I refuse to be bullied out of taking my refreshments in public by a vocal minority.
  2. It's still not arrogant. 'The public' consists of all sectors of the public. Some will insist that it's okay to eat in public : some will not. Some will say that it's okay to eat in public but not at a capitlist multinational fast food outlet. Some will say that it's okay to eat at a local establishment because it encourages growth of local markets. Are police officers to listen to them all and then make some sort of informed decision on where it is ok to eat? No, I don't suppose that's particularly practical. Should police officers then retire to the police station because they are unable to make a decision regarding where to eat in public? That's a nice option to have but, as you know from your many years as a dog handler, access to a police station whilst out and about is not always practical. Should Growley sit with furrowed brow whilst gettting hungrier and hungrier, worrying over what 'the public' thinks is okay? I would suggest, not. I think that, like many other officers across the UK, Growley would think something along the lines of what has been written, ie I'm going to feed my face and anyone who doesn't like it can poke it. Is that really such a terrible sentiment to have? I would suggest that most of the public couldn't care less where and how police, ambulance and other similar civil service workers take their breaks - those who do decide to make a big noise about it are possibly those for whom I personally give little thought.
  3. You'll wear what you are told to wear. Simple, isn't it?
  4. Time for an NHS Police ?
  5. This just goes to show what happens when there aren't enough officers and everyone is tired, rushing around, dealing with loads of investigations.... things get missed and corners cut. It's bad for the victims and it reflects poorly on the service. #cutshaveconsquences
  6. You could try asking the local postman. I'm currently a postman and I know exactly which houses/doors/flats are tainted with the smell of cannabis.
  7. Questions like what? Surely the honest answer to the 'difficult questions' would be 'I went the extra mile because it was the wife's car.' or 'My son was beaten senseless, so I had another look at the CCTV.' I don't think we should not do things because of the prospect of 'difficult questions' if we did that, we'd never go to work (or leave the station when we got there). So long as you're honest about how and why you obtained the evidence, there shouldn't be a problem.* *Obviously I mean 'there shouldn't be any more problems than there normally are when it comes to getting evidence admitted in court.'
  8. He did an interview on Sky News that officers are completely loosing it on facebook and twitter about where he said that detectives take the job home with them and response and SNT officers take nothing home. On twitter there is the #itookhome hashtag which is trending.
  9. I'm spartacus. I too couldn't give two hoots what 'the public think' because for every member of the public who doesn't think we should I can find a member of public who thinks we should. Then we delve into how much value we can attach to a person's view on policing issues. OCGs probably couldn't give two hoots if police officers eat in public, ASBO youth probably don't like it and the elderly might very well find it reassuring. I do lots of things other members of the public don't like. I also do lots of things other police officers don't like.
  10. He didn't say he doesn't give a toss about the public, he said he doesn't give a toss what the public think about him having his refs in public... I still don't understand why it's arrogant. Ultimately, there's no reason why the public should think they should have any say over when or where an employee takes their entitled refs break. It's pretty arrogant of them to think they do in my mind. As somebody said, just because we're public servants doesn't mean we're at the beck and call of each individual member of the public. We're paid to do a job, outside of that it doesn't really matter what we do as long as we don't behave inappropriately.
  11. Lovely, noted. Now as I said, you can go back to being concerned on my behalf. In the mean time, I'll be having my refreshments... in public. Sent from my iPhone using Police Community
  12. Whilst there are obvious issues in getting involved in an incident in which you have a personal interest you don't cease to be a police officer with all that involves just because you have a personal interest. Provided whatever you do is auditable and you are up front as to what you do and why then I don't really see any issues - provided for there is a legitimate policing purpose.
  13. As i understand it, most forces have a policy that if you are unhappy with the outcome of an investigation then you have a right to have it reviewed. However that could take some time to go though the process, and by that time the critical CCTV evidence that was missed might have been wiped. I think the officer did a simple enquiry that actually helped solve the case and he was not directly involved. Words of advice is the most that they could give him. Sent from my Moto G (4) using the Police Community App
  14. Spent about £5 on Easter chocolate in my local Tesco today, had a bag full of stuff. Highlight was a £10 egg for £1, good thing I have sharp elbows.
  15. Bloke attacking somebody (or multiple people) with an axe and a knife is an SFI every day of the week in my book and I'd always declare it. However, that's not to say that I wouldn't ALSO deploy unarmed officers (especially STOs), and it might be that they are in a position to intervene to save life before the ARVs arrive.
  16. Clearly some potential issues here with force policy and those involved but as always not a lot of detail in the article. Did they really close down a GBH as outcome 18 within a few hours or would it have been passed to a DC in time? We don't know. The Det Supt went and found the CCTV. Good on him, I would've too. What did he do after that though? Did he make a call or send an e-mail pointing out the oversight and asking for a review or did he use his rank to apply pressure to the attending officers or involve himself further in an unprofessional manner? We don't know. Did the attending officers turn up from their previous job on a busy NTE shift, find someone knocked out with the attacker gone, scoop them up, record a crime after some very brief enquiries and resume to their next emergency job under massive pressure from Comms? Probably but we don't know for sure. You can't expect a response cop to conduct a full investigation into a serious and complex crime within half an hour between jobs. It's as simple as that!
  17. We had a very similar thread on here before. The key point is we have two issues at okay here which need addressing. 1. A female has self harmed causing minor injury. 2. The female is having some mental health crisis but otherwise has capacity. Regarding point 1, we have no powers where the females intent is self harm only. Regarding point 2, we should be ringing the local mental health team and not 'asking for their guidance', we should be making an on the spot referral. This is their job. Our job is to keep everyone at scene as safe as we can, uphold the law and act as the first point of contact. Clinical decisions are, by their nature, not a policing issue. If paramedics and the crisis team direct that they are not taking any intervention that is final. Who are we to suggest we know better about a mental health patient based on our 1 hour NCALT package on mental health? Something many police officers fail to understand is that unnecessary police intervention can often have a negative effect on a patient. We really should be butting out unless there is immediate threat to somebody's wellbeing and no-one else better placed at that time to intervene.
  18. "This is an attempt, we believe, by violent dissident republicans to kill police officers but it was also very much an "anti-community act" as well, in terms of where it was located and the way in which it was left." No, it was an act of terrorism carried out by terrorists, but we're not allowed to say that, are we?
  19. Well can I suggest Mr Corbyn given the vacancy since the death of Castro you consider Cuba if you want a very different country
  20. If they ask you where you are travelling to just say Croydon and they should understand.
  21. Having thought about what He said yesterday it was very quickly misinterpreted and taken out of context by various social media groups. I suspect many of them knew what he meant when he said response officers don't take anything home. Yes, in some forces response teams and SNT don't have crime reports/case files/ ongoing safeguarding issues however they are the first responders so will often see the worst situations which provides a different type of stress. I agree with what he said about why people wouldn't want to leave response team and join CID. I would recommend reading Mental Health Cops blog about the mental health comments he made
  22. Our CC recently (ish) put out a message to the force that he wanted us to eat in public. I have done for ages (when I get the chance), and I can count on one hand how many times in 7 years I've had grief for it from the public. They don't care where we eat, and most are hugely supportive of it. Just look at the facebook/twitter comments on the article, it's overwhelmingly in support of us. We haven't lost public confidence. We just pay too much attention to the vocal minority that dislike us.
  23. Three officers covering four hospitals. That will make the difference. Let's hope none of them require A/L or rest days. Sent from my iPhone using Police Community
  24. The victim is still entitled to a proper investigation and Justice. He had a right to expect better than the original investigation.
  25. In the report it states quote "The six-month internal probe concluded there was no evidence he had directly accessed information on Bamgbose on GMP computer systems while his anger had been ‘poor judgement’ rather than a disciplinary offence, according to an internal GMP report". I disagree it was not poor judgement it was correcting and bringing to attention a very poor and substandard investigation. His actions brought about the appearance, conviction and sentencing of a violent individual. The attacker now has 23 months, less remission, to reflect on his behaviour.
  26. Codswallop. You don't speak on behalf of the public, Just yourself. And anyone that you've canvassed obviously (which seems to be an increasing number of people in the north west).
  27. Auto message I know, but thanks all the same! Some interesting and often helpful discussions on here. Hopemaybe to be able to help and be helped some more as time goes on. Cheers!
  28. I'll be honest the whole idea of sending Taser officers to knife calls with the expectation that they'll hold the fort until the ARV arrives makes me a little uneasy. Having seen how often they fail I wouldn't have a whole lot of faith confronting somebody with a knife using a Taser. Of course we're expected to do that now without a taser anyway but I think that's where using Taser in place of routine arming falls down.
  29. I've worked for the police for 9 years and this goes in circles. When I started in BTP we were told by a Superintendent on our induction week to get out, have a coffee and a bite, chat to people and get known in the community. After a little while some rail staff complained about us using their canteen and a moratorium was put in place for a short while. Then I went to Merseyside and the trend was very much to have refs in the nick. I changed nicks and regularly went for breakfast at a local cafe on early turn which turned out to be a great ice breaker with locals. I've now come to Kent and I'm rarely able to have refs but I have on 2 occasions now had a sit in refs at a cafe and a subway and the world hasn't fallen over.
  30. Call involving edged weapons should be an ARV deployment in my mind, no two ways about it.
  31. Shame! See you later no doubt [emoji1360] Sent from my iPhone using Police Community
  32. Anyone starting tomorrow residential at Northwick Park? If so, PM me if you need any assistance with travelling by tube to Spring House tomorrow morning! I'll be glad to help [emoji4] Sent from my iPhone using Police Community
  33. Looks like Mark Sedwell who is named as just leaving the Home Office department and it is slowly, or not so slowly sinking has moved to be National Security Advisor. One wonders if he will criticise emergency communication in the future- perhaps a bit of political deja vu Policing humour often reverts to 'international translations - would I be right to consider Project, Office, Home and Planning which is then translated to Doomed, overpriced, delayed, inadequate?
  34. There is nothing that the force can disagree with. He was a Police Officer and saw that a complaint of crime had not been dealt with correctly. How can you be criticised for acting within your roll as a Constable. Did a not too dissimilar thing when my daughter had her car stolen, found the car, found the thief who was successfully prosecuted. Oxford Road in Manchester is the main A34 into the city passing the University complex and is absolutely full of CCTV camera's, both private and public. I have know of many officers who have received a Chief Constable's commendation for actions taken whilst off duty.
  35. Maybe what he said was misinterpreted or maybe his complete lack of understanding of actually being a police officer was voiced. There weren't just social media groups that took umbrage at what he said but also some very high ranking police officers too. His report basically said what anybody who actually has anything to do with the police has known for years, he is a regulator and a statistician and has little understanding of actual policing in the real world.
  36. Even if you did detain her, I still don't see how it gives you the power to remove her from her own home and take her to hospital. As others have said, there are triage services available that will either attend or give advice over the phone. If they turn around and say, 'Yes this female is well known to us, she self harms but we've determined she does this for attention when intoxicated and has no intention of killing herself,' I'd take the AMHP's details for the report and then liaise with the ambulance staff. I wouldn't be abusing my powers. There are countless jobs where I turn up and check a persons welfare. They go, 'I'm fine, honestly.' I turn to my colleague, shrug, and say, 'Well there's not really anything else we can do here.' Just make sure you write it up properly. On the point of 136; if I had the option of 136ing somebody, I would do. Simply because it takes the decision making out of my hands and places it with the AMHP at the MH suite. If they then assess the person, release them 4 hours later into Community Care and they jump in front of a train, I can honestly say I did all I could. I didn't take them to hospital voluntarily and leave them there resulting in them walking out, I detained them, left them in a secure unit with AMHP who then released the patient... There is literally nothing more a police officer could do in that situation.
  37. Yep, I'd leave her to it. Or more to the point I would leave the medics to it.
  38. Sounds like a good idea mate! Sent from my iPhone using Police Community
  39. To be honest, I'm reluctant to write that off as a consequence of financial cuts. That's just poor police work. I would expect to be stuck on in those circumstances, and I would expect any other officer failing in that way to be stuck on too.
  40. Hopefully this comes out, but here's our pay scale for interests sake. Staff Sergeants are about the same as Inspectors and a Detective is about the same as a DS in the UK. With the exchange rate right now about 1CAD: 0.60 GBP, you can see that the average 10 year PC makes around 65,000 GBP before overtime or extra duty (which is paid at double time). Also of interest, if you're working in patrol (response) you get a bit of a bump over those in other 'specialised' units. There's also a bit extra if you're a tutor constable or working in custody. Pension arrangements are not nearly as good as the UK. We get private healthcare. The cost of living is broadly comparable.
  41. I regularly eat in cafes and the like after early jobs, usually still in uniform, and I frankly couldn't give a toss what the public want to think about it. I've not had too many people actually say anything, but my response is usually to ask them "do you work?" If they say yes, then I ask them if they get a lunch break, which usually ends the exchange If they say no, then they have a longer lunch break than I do...
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    Cheers! Been reading through yours as well, great for some research on what training will be like and for procrastinating!! x
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    So yesterday was the first stage of the process which involved travelling to the training school. Definitely a trip I hope I'll be making much more before 2017 is out! The Assessment Centre briefing was essentially what it said on the tin. If you're about to go for yours, the gist is that you hand in your relevant ID/qualification/eligibility documents to the Recruitment team, and then sit with your potential future coursemates in the canteen, making small talk until you are called through to book an assessment centre date and then directed to a lecture theatre where you are given a presentation on the rest of the recruitment process and essentially just a bit more information about the job that you're applying for. I was given a date for the assessment centre (18/05/2017 at 0800) and told that the rest of the process should pass much quicker than I expected!! All in all, the briefing took around 2 hours, despite the possible 4 hours mentioned on the invitation email but it was good to meet a few other people in the process and to have at least some more idea of timescales but now time to book holiday from work and prepare for SEARCH!!
  44. Thanks! Just navigating my way through the various groups and sub groups. Quite a busy place now I've actually signed up! Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using the Police Community App
  45. Yup. I've been at jobs where it's worked first time for me, and jobs where colleagues have tasered a knife wielding man several times with no effect. When it works it's great, but it's simply not fool proof enough that we should be relying on it without firearms cover.
  46. Well the good news is Jeremy, John and Diane will be swept away back into political oblivion; hopefully Labour will move more to the centre and provide a realistic opposition; find someone within their ranks to support the police and challenge the government regarding some of the more extreme elements of reform and; I now know what I am doing on the 8th June
  47. Im not sure what the problem is. I have been sent to the wrong address plenty of times. A similar road name, three railway stations etc Is there something I'm missing?
  48. Would anyone like to tell Assistant Chief Constable Wayne Mawson about PSNI?
  49. OMG you mean police officers eat and drink and pee and never mind. There was I thinking they were some sort of super humans with no bodily functions
  50. Have any of you ever tried to change a lightbulb on a Vauxhall. Jesus Christ it's difficult!! It's a good enough reason for us not to be allowed to. I have carried a leatherman on my belt for 8 years, never had anything said about it in any force I have been a part of. Most of the time people come looking for it to fix torches, open evidence bags, cut cable ties so on and so forth. I've used it to repair boshed doors and even to get through locked doors. Great bit of kit to have.