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  2. I'd say it's a lack of quality training across the board with a dose of no interest by some officers in CPD.
  3. All you are doing is providing a reduced service to the public by pulling folks away from their core duties (like parking enforcement, as unpopular as it is it needs to be done) to go galavanting off doing other things. City Wardens in Aberdeen doing parking enforcement, littering type stuff, dog fouling tickets and are supposed to deal with abandoned vehicles as well but you can never get one for what you need because they are all off doing another part of their role. It doesn't work.
  4. Pretty sure schools are covered in E&W the same as they are here in Scotland, our legislation on it was basically a straight lift from E&W I think. I'm pretty sure a hospital would be covered in Scotland as well (or at least areas like wards etc) as it isn't covered by the list of places that aren't deemed to be public places.
  5. Good luck in your final interview. Ive just put my application in with GMP, what are the timescales roughly?
  6. Way too much over-thinking. The beauty of these forums are to bounce ideas but I do wonder, going by some responses (across the board), whether this 'over thinking' process is why some people are confused/reluctant/uncertain enough to do the job when out and about. Theory, within reason, should be very much that. Yes, know your powers but: - never second guess yourself if your intentions are pure. (You'll get hurt) - never lie about it. Follow that and you'll not go too far wrong. -Sherlock Sent from my iPhone using Police Community
  7. Where has the idea suicide isn't legal in the UK come from? It's not been illegal since the 1960s in E&W and has never been illegal in Scotland. Not sure about NI though.
  8. The fact is we were inefficient 9 years ago despite having a record number of police officers and support staff. However, there were boots on the ground which go a long way to plugging inefficiency gaps. As each layer of police officers and support staff have been stripped away we have now reached the stage where demand outstrips resources within hours of each shift starting. Most forces will have several areas which will NEVER not have outstanding calls and sometimes there will be 100 outstanding calls that have zero chance of being resourced any time soon. That's not ongoing investigations, that's members of the public asking for the police and the police not being able to make it at all. If you work a busy metropolitan area I dare you to go onto your pended list and see what the oldest police log is that hasn't been attended. I guarantee it will be at least 3 days old and could be as long as 3 weeks. Response, the bedrock of policing and what the public expect is broken. Neighbourhood policing, as Labour knew it, is largely gone or much diluted. CID is now under resourced and people don't even want to join it (those who are in the job, there are still thousands of clueless starry eyed potential recruits who 'want to be a detective'). One of our most potent 'big bang for your buck's assets - the police dog and handler - are now rarely seen and they themselves now run a triage system to see which of their area colleagues to assist. Air cover is rarely provided these days - a start contrast to even 6 years ago when if the job was worthy of it you could expect the heli to attend as long as they weren't at another job. PCSOs provide the visible presence 8am to 6pm and after that you'll probably just see a police car drive past you on the way to yet another emergency call. 'best police force in the world'...seems about as relevant today as 'the sun never sets on the British empire'
  9. From experience (not with your home force) it generally takes a while as there will be a lot to vet. I'd sit tight for the time being :-)
  10. The question was what would you arrest for? I'm not sure what you mean by "the criminal damage has been committed and as such it is no longer a burglary but criminal damage" - why? If you turned up to a sus circs, see a smashed window and enter the property and see a suspect by the front door (who shouldn't be there) with nothing in his hand what do you arrest for? Please don't say criminal damage or I'll have to hang up my boots or throw them at you *tongue-in-cheek-comment-alert*. -Sherlock Sent from my iPhone using Police Community
  11. Does anyone know how long the vetting process takes? Or is this a 'how long is a piece of string' question?! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
  12. Suicide isn't illegal and hasn't been for 50+ And as for the 'I've not been trained' well now you've something to go away and research as part of your CPD. in relation to the document you make the same checks you would for any other legal doc you're handed. Anyone can make a capacity assessment not just MH teams. The CoP says you are able to make a capacity assessment and will be held to a higher threshold of expectation than a MoP but less than a Paramedic. So it IS in my pay grade to make those decisions as it is your whether you want to make that call is another matter. The issue with 'just get them to hospital' is it could mean more than just assault charges. However in the OP the medics are already there and have stated they have capacity.
  13. How will this work in practice? .... In situations where health or social care professionals are on the scene, police should defer to their expertise and provide support as appropriate and in accordance with local protocols https://www.app.college.police.uk/app-content/mental-health/mental-capacity/#assessing-capacity Additionally the MCA Codes Of Practice makes it clear that despite the fact anyone may make an initial capacity assessment, the person who must make the ultimate decision is the person who is going to provide the treatment that is in their best interests. I cannot see how the police would overrule a paramedic or other health care professional as the police officer would not be providing any such treatment.
  14. No, youths of today don't carry knives due to a breakdown of relations with the police. However those who can scream 'black lives matter' and 'racist' and remove their phones to film situations will use this to exploit their chances of being stopped and searched. The fact that stop & search has decreased is an absolute god send to the 'minority'. Less chance of being stopped/searched = no deterrent = carry one. = more abdomens, groins and anus' pierced by knives, with bodily fluids flowing between the crevices of our pathways, and with spleens and other body parts strewn o'er thy garth. -Sherlock Sent from my iPhone using Police Community
  15. @rioterfaz Has hit the nail on the head really, make sure you use the S.T.A.R method and make sure you do your research on the force so you know what you are talking about when asked. Remember to copy the interviewers body language and make sure to answer all questions in full, should you feel you've missed anything out then go back to it. Congratulations @rioterfaz, and best of luck @Kamikaze Turkey, keep us posted. XA84
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  17. This. In my force, it seems that most, if not all SC's want to do the gucci stuff, and isn't interested in crime reports, diary appointments or even little just jobs, where we help victims. Many officers forget that our job is not glamorous, and essentially every job we attend or deal with is because a victim is suffering and we are there to pick up the pieces . We try to have a good time whilst doing so, but for officers to forgot what they really signed up to do... I think people forget that Special Constabulary is to support regular officers, not replace. S/DC scheme seems to be replacing officers in their role, and what is the point in investing in just one officer, when you should be investing in Specials as a whole to bring their standard up to a competent level. Proper statement training, how to write crime reports properly, and how to do contemporary I/V at the very least. ------ Side question for those who were Specials then became regulars, if you had to quantify your training as a special to a regular, what would it be? A Special in my force has 30% training/knowledge of a regular, before they are out on area to learn.
  18. How on earth do you manage a statement in 10 minutes? I think my quickest ever statement was about ten minutes and that was already typed up over the phone but it took at least ten minutes to read through it with the person, get signatures and explain what happened next. Even the most 'simple' statement will be 2 pages for me and will take half an hour start to finish. With the area I cover it could be half hour drive, 5 minute chit chat, half hour statement, 5 minute chit chat then half hour drive back to the nick. So an hour and 40 minutes...hence why I don't take MG11s 'just in case'. I also find I'm doing more and more of my investigations over the phone. As long as the actions at scene have been completed adequately there's often no reason for me to drive out to the victim. I would love to give that personal service but frankly I don't have the time. Another half-way house I have often suggested is why do we not ask people to attend the police station to give a statement. We can waste half hour each way driving to and from people's houses to take a short factual statement. At the station typing is far quicker, is easier to keep the victim sterile from distractions (let's face it mos statements in someone's home take longer due to the many distractions of their home) and also you could potentially take 2 statements in 2 hours at the station rather than 1 currently. Also, as sods law usually dictates your two statements you need to take will usually be at opposing end of the BCU.
  19. Some of the views circulating suggest that in some twisted way stop search somehow causes youth to carry knives? As if the youth of today carry a knife because they are peeved at a breakdown of relations with the police? I think alot more the break down of moral codes/law and order are responsible for alienation of youth from the police. I grew up in the privileged age but I still understood authority: frankly whether it was police or just an adult with command presence . It used to work that I would hang around with friends misbehaving. The police told you to move on, you knew that you had been up to no good so gave your name and address then moved on. These days the kids know they are up to no good but believe that we must provide irrefutable proof at the roadside before they have to comply. They watch YouTube videos from 'rights' activists who tell them they don't have to comply with police. They watch American gangster videos where police need a warrant to search cars or enter premises. In many ways, they are the victims of misinformation. How many times have you heard 'YOU CANT TOUCH ME'? Is it any wonder physical confrontation is on the rise. It's not just the criminal class now who will put hands on coppers. People from all walks of life, people who wouldn't say boo to a goose in the high street, suddenly feel emboldened to shout or berate the police and even physically obstruct or assault them.
  20. My town had 18 officers on the beat 10 years ago. Now there are four. The service we provide is woefully inadequate - but not for the want of trying... https://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2017/may/20/police-cuts-fewer-officers-unrelenting-pressure
  21. Cressida Dick told children in London feel 'naked' if they are not armed with a weapon. Metropolitan Police Commissioner Cressida Dick Children as young as six are carrying knives and ten-year-olds are arming themselves with weapons out of fear, the country's top police officer has been told. Metropolitan Police Commissioner Cressida Dick heard children "feel naked" without them, while some are too scared to cross the capital's roads unarmed. Ms Dick vowed to get to the root of knife crime as she visited a youth centre in Putney, south-west London, meeting community leaders, reformed gang members and the family of Lewis Elwin - a 20-year-old trainee electrician stabbed to death in Tooting last year. The Commissioner promised more officers in schools and others in every ward to help build relationships with young people. She was told community groups are "screaming out" for a relationship with police, but the force is "not following up". One woman told Ms Dick knife crime affects children far younger than the teenagers and young men normally associated with it. She said: "On the housing estate, it's six-year-olds that are carrying knives, because they think they won't be stopped. You need to start there, in the primary schools - you need to tell much younger people." Josh Osbourne, a mentor at youth charity Carney's Community, said ten-year-olds live in fear, saying: "They can't even cross the road because they're at odds or in a dispute with somebody else from literally the same postcode but across the road." Andy Smith, from social enterprise The Feel Good Bakery, told Ms Dick young people carry blades for protection, saying: "They say they feel naked if they haven't got their knife with them." The capital has seen a wave of knife attacks in recent weeks, with more than a dozen people killed or seriously injured. Scotland Yard launched the latest phase of Operation Sceptre earlier this month, cracking down on knife crime. But despite more than 70 arrests for possession of offensive weapons and knives, within a week three more people had been fatally stabbed. Speaking to the Press Association after the meeting, Ms Dick said it was "pretty horrifying" to hear of armed six-year-olds. She said: "It's outrageous to hear a six-year-old is carrying a knife, for whatever reason. "That's something a police officer by themselves or even a police force isn't going to be able to have very much impact on. The question there is what are the parents doing? What are the school doing?" Ms Dick said youngsters often carry knives for "some kind of respect, some kind of kudos", but added: "I do accept there are places where some of our young people are scared and they feel it makes sense to carry a knife. "I can say as long as I live that it does not make them safer. They may not hear that message from me... we need to get people in communities, we need to get people in schools, we need to get parents understanding and helping young people to understand... it will end in tragedy, probably, for them." Outlining her plans for early intervention to tackle the epidemic, Ms Dick said: "I want to shift us further into prevention. I want all of us to be working on stopping this before it happens. "Community groups will be an incredibly important part of that. We need to play our part, but it is only a part." The Commissioner still has work to do to reach those communities - Mr Osbourne said the meeting was "about as much use as a chocolate teapot". He added: "We have realised that the things that we need, the Commissioner is unable to provide." View on Police Oracle
  22. You're right, there must be the intent on entry to the building or part thereof to cause damage to be guilty of S9(1)(a) burglary. That said the intent could be up for debate, particularly if for example they break all the windows in one part of the church then go into the vestry to break the ones in there too - that is burglary.
  23. I have to agree with this, we see many articles accusing the police of being institutionally racist because black people are more likely to be stopped and searched , the authors of these articles always point a finger at the police for demonizing generation upon generation of black youths. Yet i have never seen these very same authors write articles about why so many black youths carry knives ? Why were gangs of black youths causing absolute bedlam at the Notting Hill Carnival? Why are black kids killing other black kids on such a frequent basis? The questions are endless. Or is the answer to all the above, its the fault of the police for their alleged racist behavior?
  24. Hello Kamikaze, I've had my Final Interview for the regulars last Wednesday and got an email the following Thursday to say I was successful. You're revising the right things, get an idea of Tony Lloyd's vision so you're familiar with the GMP's goals. Make sure you have tonnes of past experiences and examples from your current workplace or previous as they want to hear what you've encountered and how you dealt with it. Best thing that will help you pass is a technique called S.T.A.R: S = Situation: What was the situation that you was facing. T = Task: What was you planning on doing. A = Action: What action did you take. R = Result: What was the overall outcome. I hope this helps, good luck with your Final Interview, it will be over quicker than you think. Regards, Farid
  25. that's how smart water works, every kit contains a unique DNA code and can be matched forensically to the source.
  26. I don't know if my training was massively different from others but I'd be arresting for criminal damage. I have been taught and understand burglary when it comes to the criminal damage element as always being entering as a trespasser with INTENT to cause criminal damage. In this scenario the criminal damage has been committed and as such it is no longer burglary but criminal damage. I do know what you arrest for and charge with is not always the same however for me this is clear cut. I am happy to be challenged but I strongly believe I am correct and would wager a large sum of money on it. Sent from my iPad using Police Community
  27. We often get this look when charging for a railway specific offence. Best face pull from a custody sergeant was when we brought in a bloke for travel fraud and obstructing an officer/agent of the railway. Charged with both back in the days when we could authorise our own charges without going to ERG.
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